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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.03.30 12:37:00 -
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It's true, INSRG fail at mining.
As one of EVE's foremost PvP alliances, we're not renown for our skills with a mining laser. As a result, the riches of our newly aquired space is going to waste. More specifically, the resources of the E-312G constellation centered around the QCWA outpost.
Perhaps your corporation or alliance can benefit from this?
We're looking for INSRG Business Partners to fully utlise the resources of this constellation. You'll benefit from excellent mining, +10 standings to INSRG, and full residency rights in that constellation.
As an INSRG Business Partner, we can offer you the following;
* Rental of exclusive mining rights for belts or whole systems - no-one else may mine but your corporation
* Access to high end ore (crokite, merc) with a maximum of two jumps to our QCWA refinery outpost
* Unlimited high-end ice mining available (Krystallos, Pristine White Glaze)
* A fair and reasonable refinery tax of only 10%
* POS up to medium sized allowed to make your lives in deep 0.0 easier
* A base in our easily defendable deadend constellation in remote Northern Branch, with travel and docking rights in three other INSRG outposts
There are of course some restrictions you should be aware of before we start any discussions, and these rules are not negotiable
* No POS refinerys are permitted
* No Rorquals are allowed, though other capital ships are permitted in our space
* Business Partners cannot rely on INSRG for protection. We cannot and do not guarentee your safety. We defend our space vigourously however, the the geography of the constellation benefits the defender. Raids are relatively infrequent.
* Business Partners may not anchor large POS but other POS types are permitted
There are other slightly less important restrictions, but we want to be honest and upfront with you with the main ones before any negotiations start.
Join channel 'INSRG Opportunity' for further details or drop me an evemail.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.31 10:23:00 -
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The pricing structure will enable people to make a good level of profit.
There is more than just crokite in the belts, and you're also getting access to NPC'ing and local high-end ice mining which is unlimited. Moon mining is also unrestricted apart from the very high-end stuff, and there are over 500 moons in the constellation.
Corps who work a belt can easily take home 200m+ in a week from a single belt, so 15m a week for the cheapest system is pretty damn reasonable. Its only the actual refinery system with the 30m charge and imo thats still very reasonable for exclusive mining rights and ownership of that belt. We want to encourage full resource utilisation.
Considering what a great location it is (deep in Northern Branch), and considering also that its a quiet deadend constellation, and hostiles are generally kept out by a few hundred angry INSRG PvPers, I'd say its a great deal.
Of course if industrial corps feel they can get exclusive deep 0.0 mining rights cheaper elsewhere, they are welcome to do so.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.31 12:52:00 -
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Insurgency can offer assitance to corps/alliances looking to relocate to Branch in the form of Jump Freighter services.
There is of course a fuel cost associated with this but we have a strong logistics backbone, this is something that can be discussed individually with corps/alliances looking to call this constellation their home.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.31 12:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Shintai
But personally this just looks like bad business to me. There seems to be no benefit at all.
Then this deal is not for you :)
Its for corps and small alliances without access to good 0.0 space, who are happy to pay a small nominal charge to earn good ISK in a great constellation.
If you already have such access, or can find an alliance who gives you it for nothing in return, then good for you ;)
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.03.31 16:33:00 -
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This could have gone in one of three forums - Corporation and Alliance Summit (as a communication from one alliance to other corporations), here, or the sell forums.
I think of those three, the sell forums are the least appropriate as its not really 'WTS rigged Megathron' type material. We wanted to communicate a proposal to Industrial/Mining corporations, its not a simple 'WTS' type offering.
But thats up to the moderators to decide, not you guys. I'm sure they will move it to the Summit or Sell forums if they don't feel its right here. Thats fine with me.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Eeks
Ok so your assuring that every week the belt will have a set amount of high end roids or they will make a set amount from each belt each week provided they farm the high end roids?
Are you going to provide free hauling service to people a couple jumps out since they can't use their rorquals? This should be included in the fee if your restricting the ships they can use and making 10% also with refining tax. TBH making the people use your refinery isn't a big deal but rorquals are made to compress and haul and you get someone filling a hangar each week which if your two jumps out your gonna want one and also have the cost of a pos included in that and upkeep then try hauling yourstuff in a hauler cause you can't use your rorgual or end having to pay someone on top of that to haul your stuff for you. Your gonna be wanting to mine just top end ores not wasting your time with lower value ones, thats where the money is Crokite,ark, bistot and erm the other one. Again roids get smaller and smaller as they are farmed every week making the initial profit less assuming you have 2.5 roids to start with then they go down to 500 - 1.5 in size. So ok lets say with one belt, we'll use your number of 200m, 10% is 20m on top of 30m, your top system. Thats 150m a week plus on top of that you need your stuff hauled to empire, now fuel is cheap but I have an idea just from the prices of everything else it's gonna cost alot.
Your idea is actually really good it's your prices and the lack of people using their rorquals.
The residents choose which belts/systems they want to rent, we don't allocate them. Also they choose how many, we don't tell them.
Your assertion that roids get smaller every week is simply untrue. They respawn at a standard size, on standard days, and that continues every week. I may not be a miner, but I know how much these belts can generate and based prices on that.
Jump hauling costs are not even worth mentioning. A cargo-dread can haul over 10bn ISK worth of Zydrine, a carrier over 5bn ISK worth. 20m ISK for jump fuel is neither here nor there 
These prices are very reasonable. We've done our research and know how much other alilances charge for system rental. If you think we're expensive, you're in for a hell of a shock if you try to secure exclusive mining rights in high-end deep 0.0 with anyone else 
At the end of the day, we will make money from this deal. Thats why we're doing it, and when you have fought alone for 6 months for your space as we have (losing tens of billions of ISK in that process) then you earn that right. But it is my view that this can be of mutual benefit to the right corporations/alliances.
I believe our offering is unique. It gives smaller entities the chance to live in premium 0.0 space, under the wings of one of EvE's better PvP alliances.
If you don't like our terms, you don't have to become a resident, its probably not the right deal for you. There is an alternative - try taking the space from us 
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eeks
How bout just boosting your tax to 20%, that way your assured your cut and people know they will get at least 80% of their hard work no matter what the spawn. Dunno what to do about rorquals or ratters but your selling belts to mine not rat. I'm a pure miner and I'm sure withing a couple weeks I could clear 17 belts in your prime system every week.
I've got a better idea. How about the Free Trade Zone stop trolling these threads and let INSRG conduct their business as we see fit? You've already had several posts from your alliance removed by the mods, the deal is what it is.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Eeks
I'm in a small corp and I pay 20m a month, thats for 3 accounts, I fill a hangar 2-4 days. When I first started roids were 2.5 - 3 occasionaly 3.5 within a couple weeks I was seeing 5 - 1.5. I never see roids 2k anymore and I'm mining ark and bistot. Now I don't know for sure but I'm pretty sure a belt doesn't spawn the same about of roids each week. I've been in a few alliances to and like I said I don't see this as being a real good deal because you can't assure the belt will spawn whatever high ends.
Like I said the idea is great the fee's are not.
Saying 15m isk a week for ownership of a belt full of Crokite, unlimited Ice mining, POS operations, and NPCing, +10 standings to INSRG, and residency rights is 'too high a fee' just makes you look like a troll.
If its not for you, thats fine. I'd rather people with sensible business acumen became our residents. Goodbye
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.01 07:05:00 -
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Rejari and Ceyliot, thanks for your interest.
Join the channel INSRG Opportunity for a link to the pricing structure.
Evemail me with your questions and I'll come back to you, or convo me if I'm online (I'll next be online Wednesday euro primetime, 1900-2200 eve time).
Also where possible I prefer to speak over teamspeak to give more info, its easier that way and saves a lot of typing
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.02 13:49:00 -
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thanks chris
come back already :)
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.04.02 19:34:00 -
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Thanks for all the interest and evemails. I went out drinking last night an had 1 hour of sleep so I'm not going to be able to get round to them this evening.
But patience is a virtue :)
I'll try to respond to everyone by the end of the week.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.04.03 09:37:00 -
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.03 13:29:00 -
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Because with Rorquals you can compress all that lovely Crokite, jump it to an NPC station, and refine avoiding our 10% tax ;)
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.04 10:32:00 -
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You may NPC anywhere in the constellation but INSRG have priority NPCing rights. You may also NPC anywhere in Branch other than two INSRG only constellations, and there is always Venal next door for lots of officer spawns.
If you can strip a whole belt in a week and have time left over, its probably worth renting more than one belt I'd say and work to your capacity - you'll make more profit that way.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2008.04.06 14:39:00 -
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belts/systems are still available ;)
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.08 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Kermit
Originally by: Butter Dog
Because with Rorquals you can compress all that lovely Crokite, jump it to an NPC station, and refine avoiding our 10% tax ;)
That may be, but cutting the rorqual out of the mining equation cuts your yeild almost in half... most heavy miners wouldnt even consider mining without one...
anyway... good luck with that.
Its more like 7% if you use a mindlinked Claymore or some such providing bonuses. The benefit of the rorqual itself is minimal.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.08 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lycanthis
Please don't think I'm trolling. Just curious why no large POS? The CPU for the intensive array?
we don't allow refinery arrays for obvious reasons ;)
by the way did I mention that residents will be able to use our in-constellation jump bridge network to get to/from the refinery system? well, you can ;)
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:06:00 -
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some systems and belts remain, but they are going fast ;)
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.10 13:12:00 -
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